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Damien Michael's avatar

If consciousness is fully reducible to a physical theory, then present the theory and make a prediction on a decision I will make.

Then, tell me the prediction faithfully and make sure I understand it.

In this case, I will simply be able to not choose your predicted decision.

You may lie, or make a statistical prediction on me over many attempts, but that doesn’t change the fact that your theory must include this case.

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Ljubomir Josifovski's avatar

These are my personal prejudices that I'll state without much referencing.

Consciousness, I have the impression—not unlike quantum-this-and-that—has almost spawned its own mini-industry, or at least an academic talking-circuit, with every incentive to mystify rather than explain, complicate rather than simplify, for us plebs. A free-for-all at the moment, as there seems to be little empirical evidence to clearly decide one way or another: which theories are falsified and can be discarded, and which we keep for another day.

The more I read, the more confused I become—not less. I'm not even sure if I fully understand whether there's actually some big problem that needs solving or some fundamental revelation we're missing. Yet, I've heard snippets of observations (maybe from Joscha Bach on YouTube? possibly multiple sources; it's all blurred now) that seemed relevant and made sense to me:

1. Children unfortunate enough to be born with faults in the mechanisms underlying consciousness fail to properly develop their brains. And since development is all about learning—they fail to learn effectively. This suggests consciousness might be needed for learning to happen in children. No consciousness, no learning.

2. Zombies in movies aren't conscious. They retain their prior knowledge up to the point of zombification, but afterward, they don't learn anything new. They can't adapt to changes in their environment.

3. Unconscious patients lying in hospitals also don't learn anything new. At best, they merely retain previously acquired knowledge.

From the above, my pedestrian takeaway is that consciousness is something enabling learning. It should be a low-level function, something fundamental that bootstraps the learning process in a human baby, as it's learning that builds the brain. That makes sense to me.

Perhaps consciousness could be a hardwired biological analogue to backpropagation or another learning algorithm. (we think backpropagation itself is biologically unlikely; there's no evidence for it afaik.) Or maybe something akin to that Lisp interpreter written in Lisp primitives—something so fundamental it blurs the distinction between data and code. Like self-modifying machine code of old. Or perhaps a bootstrapping monitor routine, borrowing from the "Everything is a computer" meme discussed this past week. Anyway, you get the idea—something at the most basic level, which enables the rest of the brain to develop into a mind. As far as I know, that development happens via learning, so consciousness might be precisely what bootstraps and enables learning.

To my mind, learning is the act of figuring out probability density functions (p.d.f.). Knowledge, in my view, is explicitly knowing that a p.d.f. Everything that can ever be known about the relationship between two qualities, X and Y, is captured by their joint p.d.f., f_{X,Y}(x,y).

This leads me into the next point: I was delighted to hear that you consider information as fundamental, as you described in this lecture:

Decoding quantum reality - with Vlatko Vedral | The Royal Institution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FhS6NAbuA

…that the YouTube algorithm serendipitously recommended to me recently. For I, too, have come to think that information might be fundamental, with matter and energy merely carriers or physical manifestations of that information. In the lecture, you mention Q-numbers (and writing a book). Do you have any additional materials or resources suitable for a neophyte to learn more about this? Thanks in advance.

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